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Jenny
13th April 2009, 03:13 PM
I remember one weekend in my Transactional Analysis training we were talking about how it's important to have this "i'm ok you're ok" belief - that unconditional positive regard - that regardless of how a person behaves it's important to retain some 'okness' (can't think of the right word) to hold them in high esteem.

Quite early on in my therapy my therapist said something about there are few reasons why she wouldn't feel able to work with me anymore, 1) that she felt i was becoming psychotic 2) her own personal circumstances changing and 3) if i was doing something harmful to others "like a driving a car without insurance"

I remember number 3 clearly because it sticks out to this day (although i didn't ask her about it at the time - typical!). I wonder if that particular example was meaningful to her, like whether she had experience of this and therefore would not feel able to work with someone if they were putting someone else in this danger. But i just wonder.. how far can a therapist truly take on the "i'm ok you're ok" belief?

What if a murderer or rapist is sitting in front of you? Can you truly, genuinely separate behaviour from the person?

On the TA course my answer was that I would be willing to work with a murderer/rapist etc AS LONG AS they were wanting to change/explore their reasons for doing it, but someone pointed out that this is conditional. In all honesty i have difficulty with it though. And maybe my therapist would have had difficulties with it also had i said that i do drive without insurance! Then what? Would she have stopped my therapy!? Or would she have continued with me 'as long as' i got insurance!?

I think it's one of those things that's easy to say but harder to do.. it's like the idea that we're not supposed to be judgemental. Sure is easy to say but it's an everyday thing - i know i do it! I guess the most important thing is to be aware of it, not let it interrupt with the clients needs and take it to supervision/own counselling.

Am waffling now :D

shrinknightmare
15th April 2009, 11:42 AM
No. 3 sounds weird I don't even consider that harmful.??

Daisychain
21st April 2009, 12:53 AM
3) if i was doing something harmful to others "like a driving a car without insurance"

I find this rather strange.I don't understand why she would stop working with you just because you're driving without insurance..or is it just a way to try and make you get the insurance, a way to prevent you from doing harm..or would she really stop the therapy?


Or would she have continued with me 'as long as' i got insurance!?


To me..it just seems inappropriate for a therapist to do such a thing. I can see how it's obviously dangerous,but its conditional.


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Jenny
22nd April 2009, 07:03 AM
My mum's partner says it shouldn't be "i'm ok you're ok", instead it should be

"I'm not ok, you're not ok, but that's ok!"

Daisychain
22nd April 2009, 07:04 AM
My mum's partner says it shouldn't be "i'm ok you're ok", instead it should be

"I'm not ok, you're not ok, but that's ok!"


wow lol,Great quote!!!

Old Wolf
22nd April 2009, 08:49 PM
Hi there Jenny,
You said "it's like the idea that we're not supposed to be judgemental. Sure is easy to say but it's an everyday thing - i know i do it! I guess the most important thing is to be aware of it, not let it interrupt with the clients needs and take it to supervision/own counselling." Two things I would like to say on this - 1) Perhaps we shouldn't judge the person (after all who am I to judge you?) but we can judge what they do. Or to put it another way, when someone does something I consider to be wrong rather than condemn them I should perhaps seek to understand what made them do it. Isn't this a large part of what counselling seeks to do - find an understanding of that which has affected us? and 2) If I was working with a murderer I might be looking to understand what had led them to kill someone however, if someone told me of their plans to kill someone and I felt this was genuine intention on their part I would have to break the ring of confidence and inform someone who could stop this. Really I suppose both of these are attempts to stop any additional person(s) being murdered. Any way thats my take on this.
BW
Old Wolf